I don't understand atheism, it's totally impossible to disprove god with science, and why should you care anyway when so many people are better for believing in something good? Gosh. Anyway. that is all. Have fun at your do.

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That's exactly how I feel about it....I much prefer the agnostic view of things, like maybe there is and maybe there isn't, but it seems to be a lot more open minded. Having some kind of spiritual connection makes me feel more.....accountable, I guess. It encourages me to be a better, less selfish person. But I damn sure have a long way to go.....

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I guess some people out there are giving athiests a bad rep, so here's my side of things, as a 17 year old athiest (here we go again!)

Frankly, I don't beleive in god. However, I have no interest in disproving him/her/it/whatever. I don't think it CAN be proved or disproved either way -- as Emile Durkheim said, what society needs, society will create, and if enough people beleive something is true then it exists in its effects. The effects of religion are true and definite, both positve and negative. And frankly, even if someone were to stand up and "prove" that there couldn't be a god, I don't know if many people would care, and I think something else would come in to take the place of religion anyway. It's something that is completely and totally neccesary. People NEED to beleive something, to be comforted by something, to have an answer to ultimate and eteological questions. Ever since the beginning of time, man has invented answers to questions they cannot know for sure, and religion is our answer, whether it is true or not (after all, science itself can only be disproved, not proved, and what we "know" to be true can often turn out to be not as true as we think.) I don't think science and religion should be at odds with one another, because they are entirely different. Science is the pursuit of knowledge about our material world, and religion is just explaining where the world upon which we pursue came from in the first place.

My personal religious view is this: my entire family is either athiest or agnostic, and by the time the concept of religion was even introduced to me, I was far too old to beleive in it. Thus, I have always been athiest. This is not for lack of trying: many, many times I have read the bible and truly, truly tried to beleive it, or imagined the god described in hindu poems as immense and unimaginable by the human mind, or taken certain occurences in my life as a "sign" that something is out there looking out for me. But, frankly, I just can't do it. I'm an athiest who wishes that they had religion. I really do, it would be so nice to have something out there to beleive in, like you said. But on the other hand, although I kinda wish I had it, I don't know what I'm missing exactly. It sounds nice, but I don't walk around feeling as though something is awry or a peice of me is empty. I don't MISS religion because I don't have it, I just ... don't have it. It doesn't really effect me one way or the other. When we talk about religion in historical contexts, I accept its effects and the truthfulness of its beleivers, who made their beleifs come to life in their actions. However, I don't really participate in religion personally. I did also try to be agnostic, but I just can't even begin to beleive in the possibility of a god (though I don't think it's very possible to even find out, which is part of agnosticism.)

Anyyyyyywayyyyyyyyy just thought I'd give another outlook on things, so all we athiests don't look like god-hating freaks.

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i am really interested to hear more about how the weekend goes.
When I was in AA (Loooooooong time ago) we watched a little movie about AA camp which sounds exactly like what you're going to. They did it in like upstate NY and everyone brought there families and such. There were people that had been sober for like upwards of 22 years or so! I remember still being astounded by that figure.
All the people were drinking coffee and smoking like it was going out of style, but they were having so much fun and they were all sober! I can see why you would want to keep going back because it's hard to see sober fun in the real world, or at least it is for me!


Frieda please don't leave LJ just yet. I'm still trying to get used to Charlie being gone...if you go to it would be hard for me to come back on and I still kinda need this place. It's the only place I can be totally honest about my ED.

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You would love this Krista. The people are so down to earth and easy going, it's like a big southern BBQ that goes on for days, with all kinds of variety of ages, sizes, colors and lengths of clean time. You're not that far from here, if you wanted to come next year I could get you a place to stay, introduce you to dozens of people, (including many handsome men who are trying to do the right thing and would LOVE to meet you) and show you a wonderful time. One other good thing for me, I never get a chance to even think about b/p because there's so much else going on! Are you doing OK precious? I know you are almost too good at taking care of yourself and I just worry about you sometimes. I won't be leaving anytime soon, I don't think. *sigh* It's always so good to hear from you...

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I'm making it. I just got a GREAT job (asst community relations director for the southeast division of the Salvation Army! what a mouthful huh?)

I think i am dating the guy I'm going to marry. We were in love and in a two year relationship in college and now we are trying again. He drinks which is cool but he won't let me do drugs and he already kinda knows about my ED from college so it's relaly a no-secret type thing. I'm really starting to get my head on straight.

Aside from my raging bulimia, I'm making some relaly positive changes :)

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